How are RADNOR Stick Electrodes? 7018 Especially

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Hey guys!So, every time I go to ANY of my local airgas's over the years to buy electrodes, they've pushed (pretty hard) their house brand of 7018s. They always say they're made by lincoln and they always try to get me to buy them. I think I'd read somewhere on here that they're pretty low quality, but last time I went and asked for Excalibur's, they pushed these as usual and I let them talk me into buying a 10 pound box, which I'll now review in front of 160,000+ people Anyway, has anyone actually used these on here? I'm honestly pretty excited to try them. If they are lincoln made this could get interesting, lincoln makes by far the absolute worst 7018's I've ever run (Box-store 7018ac) and they also make the best I've ever used and my personal favorite, the Excalibur 7018.. Any thoughts on these rods? I'd like to be able to gauge peoples opinions of these before I film this, and see if anyone has anything information wise that I could add to the video. I'm hoping to film it before my shop opens tomorrow morning but who knows if I'll get that far Thanks in advance, guys![Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:The shop I work part time at buys almost everything radnor including stick electrodes though we rarely do stick. But I have had the chance to use them and I personally wasn't a fan I found them difficult to restart more so than other 7018.(I could just suck at 7018 which is quite a possibility) I'll continue with the Excalibur but if it was the only thing I had I suppose i'd use it rather than go buy something else. (I ran them with a Miller xmt304 if anyone cares) Thinking you should of bought a 1lb to test though.Last edited by EvilBunny; 03-20-2016 at 10:02 PM.
Reply:I tried some, I hated them so much I threw the rest of the box out. Then,some time later and against my recommendation, the boss bought a 50# box me and another welder struggled through about 5# then threw the remainder in the scrap bin.   The rods are hard to restart, fingernail something fierce, are extra smokey,  and the slag was difficult to remove.
Reply:Had some Lincoln 7018 3/16" AC/DC rods & it would kill the engine drive.  Engine drive would throttle up & die.  My older Century AC welder could run them just fine.Son picked up a 5 lb tube of Radnor 3/16" AC/DC 7018 rods & those ran fine in both welders.  The engine drive in DCEN laid down some pretty nice welds.  The Century welder didn't like them quite as much as the Lincoln rods though.  Persnickity welders.So we will feed the engine drive what it likes.  'Sides they are a bit cheaper.  Sold off the Century AC welder to build the engine drive trailer.MarkI haven't always been a nurse........Craftsman 12"x36" LatheEnco G-30B MillHobart Handler 175Lincoln WeldandPower 225 AC/DC G-7 CV/CCAdd a Foot Pedal to a Harbor Freight Chicago Electric 165A DC TIG PapaLion's Gate Build
Reply:You should drive down from Austin to Laredo and pick up Excalibur 7018s for $67ish for a 50lb tin can at the Home Depot here.  Just borrow a Prius or some other girly car with great gas mileage and it wouldn't hurt the wallet at all.  With gas being so cheap, would be worth it to stock up, lol. 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarYou should drive down from Austin to Laredo and pick up Excalibur 7018s for $67ish for a 50lb tin can at the Home Depot here.  Just borrow a Prius or some other girly car with great gas mileage and it wouldn't hurt the wallet at all.  With gas being so cheap, would be worth it to stock up, lol.
Replyance our cwi used to work for Airgas and they bid out the spec and go witj the low bidder . You have to see from the mds sheet if you can see the supplier. All rod makers make lots of formula rods for different regions. We ised to run LH-70 7018 some like some hate it. My pipeliner tank builder friend loved Murex 7016, Excalabur runs like it as Lincoln bought Murex from Airco.Rod chemists move Esab coreshield 8 is from the guy that made NR-232/233. Ever see E6012? E-6027 old style rods. Hobart had a lime coated bare rod will have to look up E number ,was used to teach.
Replyincoln bought Radnor, yes but Airgas has always used that as their rationale for their incessant claim of "made by" or the "same as" Lincoln. Just ain't true. The only reason they push that crap is because their profit margin is higher. Higher mark up percentage but still cheaper than any of the name brands."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:OK, OK.   I LIED!  They're only $64  I've bought 6 tins of 5P+, 6P+, and 7018.  Price hasn't changed since I was last there a couple weeks ago.  Here they are sitting on the floor.  Even the tins with damaged corners that I got (seemed they all had some dents of varying degrees), had not even a single damaged rod in there. 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:I found the Radnor 7018 was a pain to START as well as restart on my old tombstone. Occasionally all the flux would pop off a stick as soon as I struck an arc. My 330abp has no such problems though, worst case restarts require me to tap the rod against the ground a bit. The slag is a pain to remove with both machines though. No self peeling there. I will finish this off since my 330 does Okay with it, but I won't be buying it again.
Reply:Here's the crazy thing. I can't get those prices on homedepot.com if I log in using my local store. If I change "my store" to Laredo TX, I can get that pricing and they will ship to CT for free. If I had a rod oven I would probably buy those.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseHey guys!So, every time I go to ANY of my local airgas's over the years to buy electrodes, they've pushed (pretty hard) their house brand of 7018s. They always say they're made by lincoln and they always try to get me to buy them. I think I'd read somewhere on here that they're pretty low quality, but last time I went and asked for Excalibur's, they pushed these as usual and I let them talk me into buying a 10 pound box, which I'll now review in front of 160,000+ people Anyway, has anyone actually used these on here? I'm honestly pretty excited to try them. If they are lincoln made this could get interesting, lincoln makes by far the absolute worst 7018's I've ever run (Box-store 7018ac) and they also make the best I've ever used and my personal favorite, the Excalibur 7018.. Any thoughts on these rods? I'd like to be able to gauge peoples opinions of these before I film this, and see if anyone has anything information wise that I could add to the video. I'm hoping to film it before my shop opens tomorrow morning but who knows if I'll get that far Thanks in advance, guys!
Reply:Holy cow mane, DATS A DEAL[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarOK, OK.   I LIED!  They're only $64  .I've bought 6 tins of 5P+, 6P+, and 7018.  Price hasn't changed since I was last there a couple weeks ago.  Here they are sitting on the floor.  Even the tins with damaged corners that I got (seemed they all had some dents of varying degrees), had not even a single damaged rod in there.
Replyouie, buy them online as long as shipping is free!I wish my Home Depot had them for that price too!
Reply:Originally Posted by drujininLouie, buy them online as long as shipping is free!I wish my Home Depot had them for that price too!
Reply:trouble is Home Depot web site lists different prices depending on where  it thinks from the internet your location is. my New York prices are in  the $130 to $150 a 50lb can range
Reply:Hate Radnor 7018. The first 7018 I ever ran was Radnor supplied by Kone elevator for install. They sucked hard to start hard to restart and burn inconsistent. Had to use them for years it almost ruined me on 7018 till I tried EXCALIBURS at my new job.
Reply:I know a couple of people who have bought the cheap rod recently and had it shipped free.  No one has yet opened the cans to check shipping damage.  Cans were a bit dented.http://www.shopfloortalk.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45114I learned of this deal from Oscar's post."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Thanks for the info guys. I got 50# on the way...  Last edited by John T; 03-21-2016 at 04:21 PM.Miller 211Hypertherm PM 451961 Lincoln Idealarc 250HTP 221  True Wisdom only comes from Pain.
Replyudes, thats gotta be a glitch or something[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseDudes, thats gotta be a glitch or something
Reply:Holy cow that is half price! I just ordered a box and an Estwing chipping hammer (just like you Lanse!) How long until Home Depot catches on and shuts this down? Better order some now while you can guys!IAMAW Local 330Airco 300 AC/DC HeliwelderAirco Dip-Pak 200 with Profax spool gunPowr-Kraft AC225Everlast PowerArc 200stBuffalo Forge No.21 drill pressSpeedglas 9100xxAirco, Oxweld, Purox, Victor torchesLincoln Ranger 8
Reply:I bought 10# can of lincoln Excalibur 7018 mr from Amazon ,with shipping $47.00.looks like I am going to Texas .Even if 1/2 is broken still ahead .
Reply:Oh jeeze, managers special i presume [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009My Local Home depot doesnt even have excalibur rods  I was gonna do a price difference. Store is in Conway ArMullets&ullets
Reply:Jeez man, I'd just run 'em, and tell your public what YOU think about them.  Shouldn't matter what other people think."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I've been told the whole "they're Lincoln made" thing before with Radnor rods. I've only ever used their 6011 rods and after that I think I'll stick (pun intended, I regret nothing) with Hobart 7018 for home use and Excalibur for work. The 6011's weren't great, not bad but I won't buy any more Radnor rods.My "collection":Homemade Stick WelderVictor O/A TorchAC 225Ideal Arc 250HF 90 Amp Flux CoreHF Mig 170Solar 2020 Plasma CutterPower i-Mig 140EHarris O/A torchHF Dual Mig 131140STAlpha Tig 200x
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseDudes, thats gotta be a glitch or something
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumI know a couple of people who have bought the cheap rod recently and had it shipped free.  No one has yet opened the cans to check shipping damage.  Cans were a bit dented.http://www.shopfloortalk.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45114I learned of this deal from Oscar's post.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammJeez man, I'd just run 'em, and tell your public what YOU think about them.  Shouldn't matter what other people think.
Reply:Radnor welding wires and electrodes are not produced by lincoln, maybe at one time but these days it comes from Welding Materials Sales warehouse 1340 Reed Road Geneva, IL 60134. It is decent stuff but not great quality, Lincoln would be the better choice as it requires less skill and has a better formulation in the flux. Welding Material Sales website ( WMSDS.COM )  compare to lincoln and you shall see what I am talking about.Last edited by NinjaRay; 03-21-2016 at 09:58 PM.Reason: Additional Info
Reply:Originally Posted by NinjaRayRadnor welding wires and electrodes are not produced by lincoln, maybe at one time but these days it comes from Welding Materials Sales warehouse 1340 Reed Road Geneva, IL 60134. It is decent stuff but not great quality, Lincoln would be the better choice as it requires less skill and has a better formulation in the flux. Welding Material Sales website ( WMSDS.COM )  compare to lincoln and you shall see what I am talking about.
Reply:Originally Posted by wnywelderHow long until Home Depot catches on and shuts this down?
Reply:Originally Posted by NinjaRayRadnor welding wires and electrodes are not produced by lincoln, maybe at one time but these days it comes from Welding Materials Sales warehouse 1340 Reed Road Geneva, IL 60134. It is decent stuff but not great quality, Lincoln would be the better choice as it requires less skill and has a better formulation in the flux. Welding Material Sales website ( WMSDS.COM )  compare to lincoln and you shall see what I am talking about.
Reply:Originally Posted by CanoecruiserThe Lincoln 7018AC I bought at Home Depot awhile ago were USA-made.  The bead looks OK and doesn't crack, but beyond that they're junk.  The slag runs all over the puddle to where you can't see it and it drips and runs like lava drops.  The flux likes to fingernail too.  Once I popped a can of Excalibur the 7018AC are on my chitt list.  I  have an unopened box that's free to a good, unsuspecting home.....or maybe I'll just toss them into the recycling bin.
Reply:Originally Posted by PipelinerI give it 3 more days.
Reply:Yea I didn't really need more 7018. But for $68 shipped to my door, I bought another 50lb. can. We'll see what, if anything, shows up.Miller XMT 350 CC/CVMiller S74-DHobart Airforce 500i
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseLooks like its time to order a 5 year supply
Reply:Throw away a 30 year supply of electrodes, JUST to make room in the garage?????? That sounds incredibly illogical.IAMAW Local 330Airco 300 AC/DC HeliwelderAirco Dip-Pak 200 with Profax spool gunPowr-Kraft AC225Everlast PowerArc 200stBuffalo Forge No.21 drill pressSpeedglas 9100xxAirco, Oxweld, Purox, Victor torchesLincoln Ranger 8
Reply:I ordered a box of Excalibur , box of +p and a roll of super arc l56 all free shipping. I bought a roll of Radnor wire came out of the box with lincoln sticker on it but didn't run like other lincoln wireMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:Originally Posted by wnywelderThrow away a 30 year supply of electrodes, JUST to make room in the garage?????? That sounds incredibly illogical.
Reply:Originally Posted by WNY_TomBi now have little 145 amp inverter
Reply:Originally Posted by John TWhat kind of welder do you have now?What are the pros/cons?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by WNY_TomB.i have only 5 welding machines now. the HF $200 tig/stick welder is only 145 amp stick welding but small and light weight it actually is a nice machine. easily fits on bottom shelf of my tool box cart. worked very good for 4 months now. i have heard of others who have had them for many many years. for that price which includes a decent tig torch i think it was a good deal. 40% duty cycle but i have never seen overheat light come on so more than enough for me. .easily runs 1/8 7018 and usually 145 is too much and i normally run it 120-140 amps
Reply:Originally Posted by John TIs the welder very heavy?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Hook, line and sinker!Eventual master of the obvious, practitioner of "stream of consciousness fabrication".  P.S. I edit almost every post because because I'm posting from my phone and my fingers sometimes move faster than my brain.
Reply:the mention of 7018 rod finger nailing is i believe arc coming from side instead of end of rod,.when rod does that i usually blame arc blow and lean the rod to compensate. .i cannot say in 35 years i noticed a rod type that finger nailed more than normal. maybe cause i always just blame it on arc blow
Reply:Originally Posted by jmayI believe Radnor rods are the same as Blue Demon.
Replyots of interesting points being brought up here[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009